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Wierd behavior
Feb 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm
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Has anyone experienced the following with their 757?  When flying a long flight, over three hours, if I minimize my FSX to do something else on the computer (when using in windows mode), sometimes when I enlarge FSX again, the aircraft has gone out of control and has crashed.  I know how to use the FMC, autopilot, etc.  Could this be caused by minimizing FSX, and why would that cause this?
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 9:07pm
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Maybe the lower priority of the minimized app causes the FSX system to struggle with detailed planes. Can you try switching apps while leaving the FSX window maximized, just switch the focus. That's what I do all the time with all of my planes, so I sort of have the FSX window as desktop wallpaper.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2012 at 10:07pm
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I normally pause my flight if I want to do something else.
This used to cause a problem with earlier versions.
I'm not sure if it still happens.I guess you can also have problems if you increase the simulation rate in flight.If for example you have rough weather,you get thrown of course.Most developers do not recommend,and will not guarantee performance with increased simulation rate.Reduced simulation rates seem to work OK most of the time.Anyway,I do not normally plan long flights,as I like take offs and landings more.FSX has some inherent bugs Cry Cry
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Re: Wierd behavior
Reply #3 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 12:22am
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Greg Goodavish wrote on Feb 12th, 2012 at 5:30pm:
Has anyone experienced the following with their 757?  When flying a long flight, over three hours, if I minimize my FSX to do something else on the computer (when using in windows mode), sometimes when I enlarge FSX again, the aircraft has gone out of control and has crashed.  I know how to use the FMC, autopilot, etc.  Could this be caused by minimizing FSX, and why would that cause this?

I often do that with the CS757, and it continues along fine (as do most of my advanced add-on aircraft).

  

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Re: Wierd behavior
Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 9:36pm
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I noticed yesterday that it pitched up to about 15 to 20 degrees on approach when I set the flaps to 20 degrees. Also it always starts rotating about 105 to 110 KIAS no matter the weight or trim setting. Also when taking off yesterday, at about 80% thrust, I started climbing and then stalled at about 1000' I was able to recover but I don't think that's a good thing  Angry
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 10:06pm
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Sounds like your takeoff trim and/or CG is somewhere it shouldn't be.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 1:26pm
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In the 757 v4.6, whatever the setting displayed (for the trim) is on the takeoff reference page of the CDU (using a CG of 30) is what I set the trim at. It climbs perfectly fine and doesn't stall at 1000 feet. I am in the habit of turning the AP on once I reach about 400-500 feet AGL followed quickly by pressing VNAV, so this might help prevent me from getting the stall like you get.

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Re: Wierd behavior
Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 5:13pm
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Markoz wrote on Feb 14th, 2012 at 1:26pm:
In the 757 v4.6, whatever the setting displayed (for the trim) is on the takeoff reference page of the CDU (using a CG of 30) is what I set the trim at. It climbs perfectly fine and doesn't stall at 1000 feet. I am in the habit of turning the AP on once I reach about 400-500 feet AGL followed quickly by pressing VNAV, so this might help prevent me from getting the stall like you get.

Mark


I've been using a CG of 36  Embarrassed So I'll try 30 and see what happens.

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I just tested it with a CG of 30, it gave me a trim setting of 3.06. I set the trim and aircraft up like normal and it still rotated at about 110 KIAS, In the picture the speed bug is at 133, my vR speed. Take a look at the ADI and the aircraft is already rotating... Huh
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:34am
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Maybe it is your controller that is causing this? Using my MS Sidewinder FF 2 joystick, I have to pull back to takeoff. If I don't, I will be going faster than the V2 bug before taking off. And so you know, I do not push forward to keep the nose on the ground for longer, I keep the joystick centred until I pull back on it.

Maybe it is because you have too much weight towards the back of the aircraft with your payloads and this causes the nose to rise earlier.

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Reply #9 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 3:16am
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I dont know about v4.6, but the tool tip for the trim indicator in v4.4 did not show the correct trim value. You have to use the actual trim indicator in the VC to set your trim. Whenever I used the tool tip to set the trim the plane always started to rotate by itself during takeoff. When I set it by looking at the actual trim indicator instrument the plane never rotated by itself.

I dont know if this was fixed in v4.6 .... I'm guessing it wasnt

Example from v4.4 :

Tool tip says trim is 2.5 degrees, instrument says about 6 degrees.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 5:40am
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wims wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 3:16am:
I dont know about v4.6, but the tool tip for the trim indicator in v4.4 did not show the correct trim value. You have to use the actual trim indicator in the VC to set your trim. Whenever I used the tool tip to set the trim the plane always started to rotate by itself during takeoff. When I set it by looking at the actual trim indicator instrument the plane never rotated by itself.

I dont know if this was fixed in v4.6 .... I'm guessing it wasnt

Example from v4.4 :

Tool tip says trim is 2.5 degrees, instrument says about 6 degrees.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1883616/b757-trim2.png

Here is how mine is set in 4.6 I do not use the tooltips info for the setting or I will climb very steeply and the A/P will take a while to sort it out, which could cause a stall.

I set the white line as close as I can to the number that is shown in CDU TAKEOFF REF page (see attached image).

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Re: Wierd behavior
Reply #11 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 2:08pm
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Version 4.4 - I don't even mess with the stabilizer trim indicator, I use only the trim lever and tool tips. Whatever the CDU indicates the trim should be I add 2 and set the trim lever in the ANU or minus direction. Example, I just took off from from KMIA and the CDU indicated a trim of 3.75. I used the lever to set trim to -5.7. The plane did not try to rotate until I pulled back on the joystick at 145 knots and it popped right up into a normal climbout.

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Reply #12 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 5:08pm
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Markoz wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:34am:
Maybe it is your controller that is causing this? Using my MS Sidewinder FF 2 joystick, I have to pull back to takeoff. If I don't, I will be going faster than the V2 bug before taking off. And so you know, I do not push forward to keep the nose on the ground for longer, I keep the joystick centred until I pull back on it.

Maybe it is because you have too much weight towards the back of the aircraft with your payloads and this causes the nose to rise earlier.

Mark



I always have my yoke centered until vR speed, plus it always rotates early no matter the weight. I can have the plane completely empty excluding pilot and crew weight and it will still rotate at 105 to 110 KIAS.
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 6:36pm
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Are you using the ACE to load her or do you manually add weight? Is that the passenger plane or the freighter? Can't tell that I have a clue, but asking out of interest.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 7:46pm
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CoolP wrote on Feb 15th, 2012 at 6:36pm:
Are you using the ACE to load her or do you manually add weight? Is that the passenger plane or the freighter? Can't tell that I have a clue, but asking out of interest.


Yes, I'm using the ACE. Also I use the -200 PAX.
  

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