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FSX and Windows 8
Dec 12th, 2012, 2:35am
 
I have a problem! Shocked

FSX is showing to be downright awful in Windows 8! I keep getting CTD's! I can't seem to fly for more than 30-60 minutes and then BAM!, it freezes on me and down she goes.

Here are the settings I'm using:

Windows 8 is installed in F:\Windows, in a dual boot setting, with Windows 7 (C:\Windows) drive)
FSX is installed on F:\FlightSimX
FSX and Acceleration with FSUIPC (registered) and Captain Sim FSX products are the ONLY add-ons installed. No mods are being used for the Captain Sim products either. I'll try them later IF I can!
Hopefully this will change tomorrow when I buy a new, bigger HDD (2TB) so I can use 2 Partitions for Windows 8 and FSX.

I'm testing all the Captain Sim FSX products in Windows 8 (but it isn't looking too bright at the moment though).

I intend to give a full report on my findings for each product to let you all know what my findings are, once I have been able to test them all. I might even disconnect all my other drives, except the new drive with Windows 8 on it so it is a nice and clean install of everything.

On a personal note. I really hate the look and feel of Windows 8! But ya neva know. I might get used to it. Shocked

Edit: I forgot to ask. Is anyone else having problems with Windows 8 and FSX?
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Re: FSX and Windows 8
Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2012, 4:10am
 
Being on the leading edge has it's problems...

I always wait a while and let others figure out the nasty parts.

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Re: FSX and Windows 8
Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2012, 5:06am
 
Markoz,you might try the AVSIM forums,they have a subforum for operating system issues.I had some similar problems when upgrading from Vista 64 bit to Windows 7. :'(
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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2012, 8:44am
 
Do you already run the uiautomationcore.dll fix, Mark? That one is still needed in Win8 and may solve the issues. Just place the dll in the FSX folder. http://forum.avsim.net/topic/392353-fsx-ctds-in-win-8-64-bit/#entry2530020
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Reply #4 - Dec 12th, 2012, 9:12am
 
Eish - you are confirming my worst suspicions about Win 8. I also suspect that they
are not going to put too much emphasis on fixing this now that they have stopped development on FSX and FS in general.
I have a nasty feeling that Win 7 might be the end of the line or a move over
to Prepar3d.
I have absolutely no plans to go to Win8. Win7 and XP seem to fit my needs fine.
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Reply #5 - Dec 12th, 2012, 10:27am
 
OK. Putting the UIAutomationCore.dll in the FSX root folder seems to have fixed the problem of the CTD's.

Now to test the Captain Sim products. First up is the 707-300/300C/E-3/VC137 (because it is at the top of the list in FSX). Cheesy Grin
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Re: FSX and Windows 8
Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2012, 10:56am
 
Markoz wrote on Dec 12th, 2012, 10:27am:
First up is the 707-300/300C/E-3/VC137 (because it is at the top of the list in FSX). Cheesy Grin

I like that priority list. Cheesy Good news on the darn dll. A FSX heritage, lol.

Mark, I think your account was hacked. Somebody has replaced the picture of the friendly guy with a picture of another friendly guy. Just be cautious. Shocked
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Reply #7 - Dec 12th, 2012, 1:17pm
 
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Markoz wrote on Dec 12th, 2012, 10:27am:
First up is the 707-300/300C/E-3/VC137 (because it is at the top of the list in FSX). Cheesy Grin

I like that priority list. Cheesy Good news on the darn dll. A FSX heritage, lol.

Yeah. I did a search for UIAutomationCore.dll and came up with four (4) instances of it in my Windows folder (Windows\System32, Windows\SysWOW64 and two of them in Windows\WinSxS). Weird! Shocked
But I downloaded and added the Vista 64bit UIAutamationCore.dll to the FSX root folder.

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Mark, I think your account was hacked. Somebody has replaced the picture of the friendly guy with a picture of another friendly guy. Just be cautious. Shocked
Ah. Yep. I hacked my User CP and added a photo taken today, to replace the one taken in early 2009.
So I look older in the new one, so my grey hair stands out a bit more in the new pic. :'(
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Re: FSX and Windows 8
Reply #8 - Dec 13th, 2012, 1:54pm
 
Aviator101 wrote on Dec 12th, 2012, 9:12am:
Eish - you are confirming my worst suspicions about Win 8. I also suspect that they
are not going to put too much emphasis on fixing this now that they have stopped development on FSX and FS in general.
I have a nasty feeling that Win 7 might be the end of the line or a move over
to Prepar3d.



Hello Mark,

I too have upgraded to Windows 8.
The more I use it, the more I like it.

I had only two problems with FSX, one was the uiautomationcore.dll and the other, the intermittent "disappearance" of my joystick.

The first problem was as yours, occasional CTDs, these have gone with the addition of the file to the main FSX folder, though the correct version is VITAL.
I have attached the properties page of the one I am using.
There is no need to remove or modify in any way the other instances included in Windows 8.

The second problem has been much reduced by disabling the "allow the computer to turn this device off to save power" entry in the device manager\properties\Power Management window for the joystick and USB device controlling it.

As to Windows 8 and the comments quoted, Windows 8 is built on Windows 7, the most obvious difference being the new user interface.
I have not yet come across a device driver for Windows 7 that doesn't work in Windows 8.

It helps no one to randomly condemn anything without at the very least trying it.
I have upgraded all three PCs in our house to a full version of Windows 8 pro from two OEM Windows 7 and one OEM Vista.
Until January 2013 the cost of each licence is only 24.99 (US$39.99) which makes three operating systems for under 75 (US$121), Microsoft have never done this before and they may not do it again.

The rest of my PC operates much more quickly, my "Windows Experience" has gone up from 7.2 to 7.8 and overall I am delighted with the new OS.

I should add, finally, for those doubters, that it is perfectly possible to operate it from the conventional desktop if the new tiles are not to one's taste.

Sorry to go on,but there are two sides to every story.

Regards,
Nick.

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Reply #9 - Dec 13th, 2012, 2:25pm
 
I have had my joystick being disabled numerous times, sometimes only partially (the buttons, but not the axes), I checked the power saving setting for my joystick and it is greyed out (not allowed to turn it off to save power?), but it still drops off sometimes (see attached image). Sad

I am giving Window 8 a go, but I still don't like it. Wink

I have encountered another strange thing in FSX. The mouse stops being able to click on buttons on some 2D panels. It is like it loses focus within FSX. I prefer using FSX in Window Mode rather than Full Screen because allows for switching to other tasks in Windows more easily, but this seems to happen a bit in Full Screen mode. This might just be Captain Sim aircraft, but I don't know yet.
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Reply #10 - Dec 13th, 2012, 10:08pm
 
Just throwing in my 2 cents worth of experience with W8.

I've been testing FSX with Windows 8 since September. First with the Release Candidate and then when released the full Windows 8 Pro Media Center Edition.

Logged right at 275 flight hours so far in W8, and with very few exceptions that I have run into, FSX runs like a champ on Windows 8.

In those flight hours I've logged full start-up to full shut down good distance flights in the CS 707, 727 and the C-130. All of them have flown exactly like they did in W7, with out a single problem in those aircraft. It may be just my imagination but the C-130 actually seems to work a little better during the full cold start-up procedures.

The sudden loss of controllers issue was a pretty frequent and known event in the Release Candidate days, but after upgrading to the full W8 version, I have only encountered a single instance. That one instance, I cured by simply unplugging the control wire that plugs into the back of my X-52 joystick and it kicked it back into gear.

I'm running a full system all hard disks format with a fresh copy of W8, it's not W8 on top of W7. FSX is on it's own HD and the only FSX related system tweak I use is Nvidia Inspector.

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Reply #11 - Dec 14th, 2012, 10:57am
 
MarkOz. Mate your a glutton for punishment. I'm  with Lou on this at the moment, had enough at the moment of always sorting out Microsoft bugs and issues and their never ending patches and fixes, used to enjoy the challenge once but not now, just want the bugger to work as advertised. No help at all I am afraid re Windows 8, not for a long time at this rate.
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Reply #12 - Dec 17th, 2012, 7:24pm
 
They are discussing the Win8 related joystick problems here. http://forum.avsim.net/topic/393486-windows-8-joystick-megathread-problem/ Seems like it hits some folks.  Undecided
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Reply #13 - Dec 18th, 2012, 4:17am
 
From everything I have read online FSX and Windows 8 will probably never work properly together. When i saw what windows 8 looked like at a store, I went out and bought a 2nd copy of windows 7 the next day. I think most fs users will probably have to have a computer using windows 7 for a very long time to come.
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Reply #14 - Dec 19th, 2012, 4:14pm
 
From the above linked thread, it seems like Win8 currently incorporates some joystick problems. Not only with FSX, but a guy stated that X-Plane also suffers. So maybe there's something in need for a patch on that gaming interface in general. It doesn't seem to affect all systems though. Makes it harder. Undecided

I don't run any games on my Win8 thingy. And if I do, expect them to be in the jump&run category.  Cheesy
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